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[Holter]

[Thanatos]

[Holter]

OK thanatos I split these posts off so we can talk about this. You say you try to make things a little more equal, well what the heck do you think I am doing here? I try to present the other side of the argument as much as I possibly can.

Too many of us in here think the same way about the world, that its good to have views posted from both sides. Now this doesnt mean that I dont believe in everything that Ive said so far, but its only fair to look at both sides first. That said...

[Thanatos]

Before I start with the conspiracy theories, I think I'll focus on the "official" story.
Here is a site that contains a comprehensive archive of the mainstream information surrounding this issue. http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timelin...te_911_timeline

If you don't have enough patience to read over this (It's very long), I can tell you that there are an extremely large amount of "extremely improbably events, amazing coincidences, and contradictions." (Source of quote)

The lack of actual investigation into the attack itself is troubling. We know virtually nothing of facts occuring on that day, yet nobody is questioning. The only official inquery going on is intelligence knowledge before the incident by the 911 Commission. Even there, the answers received are extremely secretive and evasive. Everybody else independantly theorising answers seperate from the official story is a conspiracy theorist. I myself do not have a specific theory, although I do admit that many of the conspiracies are shockingly convincing.
I think the fact is that questioning the official story is automatically considered joining the ranks of paranoid conspiracy theorists, which discredits one's wisdom and intelligence in society. This is why famous people tend to shy away from such subjects. The conspiracy of the Kennady assassination was also met with reluctancy to gain entry into mainstream discussion. I'm sure that in about 10 years from now, the 11 September issue will finally enter public discussion. At the moment, it is taboo to ask questions because it is an "insult to the dead".

I have heard rumours of Michael Moore making a documentary confronting the "hard" questions of 911. But I have a feeling the "hard" questions will stay far away from the actual events behind the attack.

[Thanatos]

(Before I start, I'd like to remind Mogwix to calm down. I am knowingly double posting. I feel it more reasonable than editing on the my last post.)

The tape is the ONLY thing connecting Osama to 11 September. Even with all the inconsistent intelligence of the Al-Qaida connected hijackers, it seems like this whole operation has been done without Osama's hand. So, basically, discrediting the tape is the only thing I have that questions his responsibility in the event.
-Of the skeptics who actually KNEW Osama, they seem to agree that the bragging Osama has a different nose.
-His mother swears that the Osama she knows would never behave or speak in such a cold-hearted manner. http://www.themodernreligion.com/terror/wt...-video-mom.html
-The origin of the tape, the quality of the tape, the circumstances of the tape, and more are questionable. A very good criticism I recommend you read (not very long): http://www.counterpunch.org/yusuf1.html
-There was an extremely beneficial motive. This was considered the "smoking gun", no questions asked.
-I find it hard to find a reason why a government so hell-bent on serving its own interest would NOT produce such deceptive "proof". It's like a real-life "Wag the Dog".

This post has been edited by Thanatos: Apr 28 2004, 02:48 PM

[AP]

Who cares about Osama anyways? He fucked up when he attacked us, now he has no-one left to blame but his own dumbass self.

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[You are not a sl...]

AP didn't you read anything that Thanatos posted?


Dumbass.

[AP]

[You are not a sl...]

But you ignored the topic when you posted. You denied his whole post and said an ignorant rightest slogan and posted a cute little pic.

[Holter]

Thanatos I think your talking about "Farhenheigt 911", moores next film, which is going to discuss 911 and the Bush family's relationship with the Bin Laden family. Its coming out this summer. I havent read what you posted yet, that part just caught my eye. I wanted to post this first, now Ill read you posts, lol.

[AP]

[You are not a sl...]

So you deny "EVIDENCE"? Haha...

But see, after Thanatos' post, you should of posted something in reply to what he said. All you did was say,

[AP]

Well, I'm not sure what you want me to say? I think he's guilty, end of story. I don't get how you can stand up for a terrorists who attacked us like he did.

[Holter]

OK squash this.

Thanatos that page is friggin huge. But its a pretty interesting read. Do I have to read all of the stuff or is only some of it relevant to what you are talking about? Im probably going to read it all at some point, but for the sake of going over this topic I want to read the specific 911 information first.

There will always be conspiracies to things that effect us globally, like you said with JFK. I think you are 100% right about how people get offended when you talk about 911 now, I think thats a really good point, and about how in 10 years people will probably start talking more about this. I dont doubt that at all.

BTW Bin Laden's mother would of course say something like that, I mean its her son! And no matter how many problems they have had in the past, she still would defend him because it looks poorly on her and her families name.

[You are not a sl...]

I forget Ap....

Doesn't it go...?

Innocent untill proven guilty?

I am yet to see anything solid, and condemning.

And don't you start that, "How can you support them? omg... Goto hell!" Crap... I don't support terrorism, and never will. But, I fail to see the difference in terrorism, and what we the AMERICANS are doing overseas right now.

And now you're going to say, "Well we are good, they are bad, we are right, they are wrong, we are mercyful, they are ruthless.". And I will say that "good" and 'bad' are only interpretations.